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Post by Leatherface on Sept 24, 2012 12:27:48 GMT -5
I'd also like to add that Friday the 13th, the film that brought us all here, has been critically bashed from day one. I can go on youtube and pull up three to four clips of major critics bashing each film to ridiculous ends. Does that mean each Friday is bad because critics hated it?
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Post by stalker on Sept 24, 2012 13:52:12 GMT -5
Dude I make good points in why I love or bash a film. I cant help it that I am able to dissect and break logic down really well. Its not a complex, its just what I do. Most people agree with most of my calls on horror movies good or bad. Kyle has the same deal about him. Its just in you or its not. The masses and numbers mean nothing.... Thats for sheep and sell outs. d3mon, I like your arguments here. Think for yourself.
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Sept 24, 2012 14:52:17 GMT -5
Yea but the point of your statements is that my opinion is invalid because I am supposedly a minority. Thats why I made that exaggerated arrogant post about having the most accurate opinions. I was just f-ing with you. But the fact is THEY ARE WRONG TURN SEQUELS! The first one wasnt even a masterpiece. How good were you expecting a sequel to a decent horror movie to be? To be considered bad or unwatchable they would have to be as bad as Freddys Dead or Halloween 5. All 3 WT sequels blow those two movies away. I could make a lot more examples but I dont wanna list off obscure movies. I just think you take majority opinion too seriously in your life. Youre alot older now and have been in the horror game for quite some time. I think its time to start thinking for yourself and not run off "facts" or "majority opinions". Everyone here alreAdy knows all the facts and statistics and majority opinions. This is a forum where we express our own. We are here to contribute to those majority or minorities. Not to regurgitate it. The first Wrong Turn movie is no all time classic like Halloween, but it is a rather good film in its own right. I don't like a lot of horror from that era, but it stands out at being of a higher quality overall. My overall dislike is when they make a dozen DTV sequels just because they can. The Hatchet movies are given way too much props by people like Harry Knowles. Victor Crowley is not the next Jason Voorhees, no matter what they say. The movies can't even get a wide theatrical release!
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Post by Leatherface on Sept 24, 2012 15:28:56 GMT -5
So what? Jer, you have to release that not every horror film is gonna be the next Friday The 13th or the next SAW or whatever. If someone enjoys a movie, let them enjoy it rather than making them feel like crap for liking it because it's a direct to video sequel or doesn't look good, or is a box office failure. You know, Halloween was not a big success when it first came out. Actually, Halloween bombed upon initial release. It wasn't until it was re released around the Halloween season that it got the following it has today. So with your logic, since when it first came out it bombed critically and financially, Halloween is a big stinker. My point is, that not everyone is gonna like what the masses like. And vice versa. Just let it go and stop shoving facts and statistics down all of our throats because you think a movie is bad because it's previous installments were flops or whatever.
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Post by Drayton Sawyer on Sept 24, 2012 15:50:12 GMT -5
I loved the first Hatchet. I didn't hate the second one. But it was quite a letdown. It just seemed thrown together. It's like they threw ideas against the wall to see what would stick then didn't clean up the mess. ;D It's hard to believe it had the same writer/director. I hope part 3 is an improvement.
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Post by Leatherface on Sept 24, 2012 15:50:51 GMT -5
I'd like to see a 3rd Hatchet.
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Post by d3M0n on Sept 24, 2012 15:51:21 GMT -5
So with your logic, since when it first came out it bombed critically and financially, Halloween is a big stinker. My point is, that not everyone is gonna like what the masses like. And vice versa. Just let it go and stop shoving facts and statistics down all of our throats because you think a movie is bad because it's previous installments were flops or whatever. That is EXACTLY my point LF! Glad you feel the same way! You made amazing points about F13 th too..... according to Jeremy were are all minorities who should feel like total dipshit out casts for even liking F13th 1! HELL Part 2 isnt exactly raved about by most horror fans! Sure it is here... but in the F13th world 3,4 and 6 are king! Meanwhile 3 is technically really not great. Without the atmosphere and iconic imagery and a few iconic scenes the movie really falls flat... but the MAJORITY like it... so if you dont YOU are an outcast yet again. Meanwhile that MAJORITY Jeremy holds in such high regard are praising a movie that is REALLY not that great. Whether the majority enjoy it or not. So how is it any different that we enjoy WT sequels that may not be technically not good?The first Wrong Turn movie is no all time classic like Halloween, but it is a rather good film in its own right. I don't like a lot of horror from that era, but it stands out at being of a higher quality overall. My overall dislike is when they make a dozen DTV sequels just because they can. The Hatchet movies are given way too much props by people like Harry Knowles. Victor Crowley is not the next Jason Voorhees, no matter what they say. The movies can't even get a wide theatrical release! Dude who cares about DTV... that's what the majority of horror is today. You better get used to that. Dont be surprised when the major franchises go there. From what the new TCM trailer is showing us... they look to be one take away from DTV. If they go DTV and it's badass then we all win. If they just stop like you think (instead of going DTV) we ALL lose because then it's all over.
Your comments about Hatchet contradict yourself. Just a few posts ago you looked down on me for having the minority opinion that the WT sequels were good fun movies. Now suddenyl you contradict the majority opinion and talk down Hatchet and Victor Crowley? What's it gonna be Jer? Are we all supposed to go with the majority flow, or think for ourselves? I'm so confused now... #2ld7qy8#
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Sept 24, 2012 15:59:46 GMT -5
Halloween actually made $47 million during its initial release and was the most successful independent film of all time for a while. They released ads touting how much it was making every week. That was during the time when movies weren't so front loaded and based on the opening weekend. Of course it wasn't a flop, I never implied such a thing. It did what all movies of the time did, make their millions steadily over a long theatrical release, not these three or four month windows that happen now.
On the topic of Hatchet, people made it out to be the next big horror franchise. Do you remember that? It was all over the internet. They raved that Victor Crowley was poised to join the ranks of Freddy and Jason. It turned out that the movie was basically a fun throwback to the 80's and not a game changer by any means.
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Post by Leatherface on Sept 24, 2012 16:00:36 GMT -5
Again, so what? If people enjoy something, let them enjoy it. Jesus Christ dude.
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Sept 24, 2012 16:05:23 GMT -5
So with your logic, since when it first came out it bombed critically and financially, Halloween is a big stinker. My point is, that not everyone is gonna like what the masses like. And vice versa. Just let it go and stop shoving facts and statistics down all of our throats because you think a movie is bad because it's previous installments were flops or whatever. That is EXACTLY my point LF! Glad you feel the same way! You made amazing points about F13 th too..... according to Jeremy were are all minorities who should feel like total dipshit out casts for even liking F13th 1! HELL Part 2 isnt exactly raved about by most horror fans! Sure it is here... but in the F13th world 3,4 and 6 are king! Meanwhile 3 is technically really not great. Without the atmosphere and iconic imagery and a few iconic scenes the movie really falls flat... but the MAJORITY like it... so if you dont YOU are an outcast yet again. Meanwhile that MAJORITY Jeremy holds in such high regard are praising a movie that is REALLY not that great. Whether the majority enjoy it or not. So how is it any different that we enjoy WT sequels that may not be technically not good?The first Wrong Turn movie is no all time classic like Halloween, but it is a rather good film in its own right. I don't like a lot of horror from that era, but it stands out at being of a higher quality overall. My overall dislike is when they make a dozen DTV sequels just because they can. The Hatchet movies are given way too much props by people like Harry Knowles. Victor Crowley is not the next Jason Voorhees, no matter what they say. The movies can't even get a wide theatrical release! Dude who cares about DTV... that's what the majority of horror is today. You better get used to that. Dont be surprised when the major franchises go there. From what the new TCM trailer is showing us... they look to be one take away from DTV. If they go DTV and it's badass then we all win. If they just stop like you think (instead of going DTV) we ALL lose because then it's all over.
Your comments about Hatchet contradict yourself. Just a few posts ago you looked down on me for having the minority opinion that the WT sequels were good fun movies. Now suddenyl you contradict the majority opinion and talk down Hatchet and Victor Crowley? What's it gonna be Jer? Are we all supposed to go with the majority flow, or think for ourselves? I'm so confused now... #2ld7qy8# No, Hatchet is not a huge smash hit that is loved by a wide audience. It was propped up that way by some fanatical Adam Green followers. Remember the Hatchet Army who made him out to be Jesus Christ?
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Post by Drayton Sawyer on Sept 24, 2012 16:09:47 GMT -5
I look at it this way. At the end of the day the only opinion that matters to me is my own. I don't care what critics or the majority think. I think with age I've just mellowed. I used to get upset if people didn't agree with me. But I realize now it's just not worth the effort to argue about my opinions. I'll still share them. But I'm not going to try and change a persons mind. Or let what critics and the majority think affect my own views. Now I'm not saying I don't respect differing views. I do. I'll even admit I like it when someone I respect shares my views on films I love. But I won't lose sleep or stress out over it if they don't.
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Post by d3M0n on Sept 24, 2012 16:29:30 GMT -5
Pretty much what I been sayin I'm not even trying to sway his opinion! ;D I'm just wondering why when i give mine, i have to be told that I am a minority I am just trying to say I have also mellowed and dont really care if anyone else dislikes movies I love. I am just trying to figure out how my opinion is not valid. And yes because I do a show for one of the top horror websites (yes maybe top 10 but still top) that my opinion has to be pretty well thought out and I BETTER justify my opinion with logic and valid points. Those 600 listeners will jump down my throat otherwise. Does it make my opinion any more important than yours? NO! Is the majority opinion any more important than mine? NO!
That it my point in a nutshell. End of discussion (on my end lol )
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Post by TommyBlade™ on Sept 24, 2012 19:27:30 GMT -5
I don't care about being in the minority, budget, CGI, etc. If people don't like these movies that's their problem not mine. Campers Killed Man reading all these posts . Let me come into play for a minute. 1. Does anyone really care what the status is.....no. Here is a perfect example why budget is a waste. Take Expendables(2010) budget:80 mill, Worldwide: $274,470,394 For Expendables 2(2012)....forget about Chuck Norris, Willis & Arnold, when you add a guy to the line-up who's name is Van Damme(THE MAIN VILLIAN & A TON MORE SUPER POWER TO OFFER THAN AUSTIN) you expect it to make a better stand than the last. Budget: 100mill, Worldwide: $269,019,805. You do the math, during an interview with Stallone "You will never ever see this again".... The Point: You enjoy something that you like. You might like it, you might not.....understandable. 2. People should be grateful that another one is up for viewing. This is my definition of a horror fan: I'M TALKING ABOUT MYSELF I own so many blurays till I lost count. 50% are not exactly what I imagine it to be, but that does not stop me from owning it. The Demon Strikes
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Post by d3M0n on Sept 24, 2012 20:22:01 GMT -5
Defintely man! A horror fan knows that horror is mostly sub par. The people making it know that as well. They know they are not making a masterpiece when they are filming Sleepaway Camp. But we all know how amazing and iconic Sleepaway Camp is. Therefore there is something about a horror film that is almost beyond criticism. Of course we still criticize. Hell its my job on my show. But I do it with love... If I criticize a sequel, its out of love for the original. But we know none of these movies truly live up to most good none horror films. It doesnt matter to us though... Horror is our niche. Theres a warm cozy feeling about that 80s atmosphere, the score the looks of the killer. We sometimes capture it again in modern horror. We as real fans think within the genre and realize what our expectations should be. We know movies like House by the Cemetary are pure unwatchable shit as well and Zombie and Zombie II. but we also realize what's so fascinating about a guy in a mask made of human flesh, chainsawing people to death in Texas. This is our world and not even other people in that world can take what we love away from us. Including majorities.
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Post by Leatherface on Sept 24, 2012 20:34:54 GMT -5
No one goes to watch Friday The 13th for story, they go see Friday The 13th to see Jason ( or Pamela, or even Roy) kill mindless sex crazed teenagers. Like Demon said, most horror isn't that good, and it will always be a niche genre. Nothing wrong with it really. No one goes to see Halloween because of what Michael Myers represents as the evil in all man or whatever, they go see it because honestly, there's something kinda cool about people dying in these films. It's fun wondering how Jason is gonna dispatch a group of teens, or what funny quip Freddy will say when he kills a teen. Or what insane trap Jigsaw will come up with. It's all fun. Nothing wrong with that.
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Sept 24, 2012 21:00:33 GMT -5
In that context, I do agree with you. For some reason, the horror genre is one where for every really good movie, there has to be a bunch of horrible ones. It is kind of like when a big movie comes out and The Asylum makes one of their mockbusters on a fraction of the budget. In the case of horror, make it five of them.
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Post by Leatherface on Sept 24, 2012 21:02:33 GMT -5
Every genre has that. For every 3 good action films, there's 6 crappy ones.
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Sept 24, 2012 21:08:35 GMT -5
I think that the ratio is worse in horror. Take zombie movies for example. For every good one (eg. Dawn Of The Dead), there are a dozen where some guy thought that $50 and some fake blood would entertain people.
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Post by Leatherface on Sept 24, 2012 21:09:18 GMT -5
In a way it does entertain people. People like what they'll like for different reasons.
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Post by TommyBlade™ on Sept 24, 2012 21:37:32 GMT -5
"No one goes to see Halloween because of what Michael Myers represents as the evil in all man or whatever, they go see it because honestly, there's something kinda cool about people dying in these films." haha, I'm going to come clean on this particular one since its my favorite, actually everyone's favorite If I'm not mistaken for the most part. He is an evil in all man...for example that is how I see him. "I met him, fifteen years ago. I was told there was nothing left. No reason, no conscience, no understanding; even the most rudimentary sense of life or death, good or evil, right or wrong. I met this six-year-old child, with this blank, pale, emotionless face and, the blackest eyes... the *devil's* eyes. I spent eight years trying to reach him, and then another seven trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply... *evil*. " This is not made up shit man, that particular quote is represented by only those you possesses it. Many things can shape a person to become that quote....Its life. And that is why I would go to see how Evil really is & takes it place in the form of man...and that man is a character known to play the role of others.....MICHAEL MYERS. In a way it does entertain people. People like what they'll like for different reasons. Campers Killed in an hour ...I just use another one up on Demon ;D
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