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Post by TommyBlade™ on Jan 25, 2013 13:41:30 GMT -5
What do you mean by get the Villain right?
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Post by Leatherface on Jan 25, 2013 13:46:59 GMT -5
Bane in Rises was hardly close to his comic counterpart, then again the Schumacher one wasn't very close either. Same goes with Scarecrow and Two-Face.
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Post by Kwik Kash on Jan 25, 2013 16:15:33 GMT -5
Bane started out all right. I like the fact they seemed to acknowledge he was intelligent and not some overpowered brute. Sure he was strong, but he was the one who deduced Bruce Wayne was Batman. In the Dark Knight Rises, he was intelligent, but he was kind of political. Like Joker was.
It's fine, but I'm not too keen on the rehash.
Looking at the film by itself, and taking in no outside sources into consideration, it's a decent trilogy of films. But in comparison, it falls short in some aspects, and it handles just fine in others.
One thing I cannot forgive though is the voice. For a movie about suspending disbelief, surely the audience could have accepted his voice without it being so gravel-sounding. That voice hurt any serious scenes in the film for me.
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Post by Leatherface on Jan 25, 2013 16:24:00 GMT -5
He was also shorter than Batman, used guns and seemed just way too much like a Bond villain than Bane.
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Post by TommyBlade™ on Jan 25, 2013 23:20:07 GMT -5
He was also shorter than Batman, used guns and seemed just way too much like a Bond villain than Bane. The Bond Villain part hit me ;D  |
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Post by Leatherface on Jan 25, 2013 23:32:28 GMT -5
It's true. If that Bane was a Daniel Craig era Bond villain then he'd work very well. But that isn't the Bane from the comics.
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Post by Stinger on Jan 27, 2013 13:42:27 GMT -5
Who would you like to see play the part of Batman that hasn't already?
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Post by Leatherface on Jan 27, 2013 13:46:18 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd want someone who's an unknown actor.
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Post by Drayton Sawyer on Jan 27, 2013 16:28:55 GMT -5
I think Dylan McDermott would be a good choice for Bruce Wayne/Batman. He's a great actor with a lot of range and looks the part too.
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Jan 28, 2013 17:13:37 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd want someone who's an unknown actor. I second this opinion. |
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Post by TommyBlade™ on Jan 30, 2013 20:57:26 GMT -5
I'm looking for that someone who has been put down, who was kicked to the curb, A fighter, somewhat of a Rambo Personality & comes forward to "RISE" again. The question is I don't the answer to my own little question ;D, as of yet.
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Post by Stinger on Feb 4, 2013 17:02:36 GMT -5
I'd like to see Jim Caviezel play Batman.
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Mar 1, 2013 13:48:50 GMT -5
I wonder what style they will use for this reboot. The gothic tone worked for Tim Burton, while Nolan's take on it gave Warner Bros. two billion dollar films. The whole cheesy neon thing didn't work all that well, so I don't expect to see that or the batnipples return.
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Post by Leatherface on Mar 1, 2013 14:57:49 GMT -5
I'd rather see a mixture of both Burton and Nolan, but you know, retaining all the elements that make him Batman. No raspy voice Batman, no him acting like a 12 year old ( quitting for 8 years all because his quasi girlfriend got blown up? C'mon Bruce.) him just being fucking Batman for once and fighting actual Batman villains rather than people who just use the names and some elements.
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Post by Drayton Sawyer on Mar 1, 2013 17:04:38 GMT -5
Well said LF. Camper killed.
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Post by Leatherface on Mar 1, 2013 18:56:14 GMT -5
I want to like the new films, but all of the " villains" in those are just...bland. Look at Avengers, Loki was a villain. The lizard was a villain in Amazing Spider-Man. They don't have to be realistic, they just don't have to be cheesy. but guess what, not all comics are cheesy. There are some well developed, fleshed out people in these stories, including some of the more ridiculous looking ones like The Green Goblin. Look at the first two Superman films for a minute, or the first Burton Batman. Lex Luthor, Zod and Joker in those films were villains, yes their plots weren't anything on the level of high art but you disliked them and wanted the hero to win. Man Of Steel for instance, looks far too melodramatic. But I could be wrong, we'll have to simply wait and see.
What works with the Marvel films is that they use all or as many elements as possible for the characters from the comics. You can identify them, get a sense as to what they are all about, and you may have never read a comic in your life. To name a personal example when I saw Captain America: the First avenger I found him to be likable, charismatic, and the film itself took itself seriously but still felt like a comic. Even though I never have read a comic about Captain America, I still got what this guy was all about, I found myself caring for his story and his supporting characters. I found The Red Skull to be threatening and entertaining. This is why I don't like the Nolan films. Yes, they should take themselves seriously, have drama, romance, action etc. But they gut the characters as a result and just make them into carbon copies.
Batman is a fascinating character to explore, in fact Batman Forever which is regarded as campy and goofy actually does explore why Bruce does what he does but subtly. It explores the pain and torment he feels over the loss of his parents. As well as still showing his humanity, and how he doesn't want to be Batman but he has to be. The Nolan films just make him into an angry, mopey, 14 year old who has throat problems.
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Mar 4, 2013 15:47:57 GMT -5
I liked Batman Forever when it came out, but haven't seem it in a long time. It is a shame that Val Kilmer got fat and had to star in movies like MacGruber.
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Post by Leatherface on Mar 4, 2013 16:45:13 GMT -5
I wish Forever kept in the deleted scenes, it was a VERY strong movie and I think Joel had a very good grasp on the mythos, it was WB who fucked it up yet again.
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