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Post by Leatherface on Dec 10, 2008 19:41:55 GMT -5
oops my bad lol i'm having a dumb day but yeah anyhows back to who was the best joker my favorite Joker was nicholson by far
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Post by Kwik Kash on Dec 11, 2008 11:57:20 GMT -5
Mark Hamill's voice acting, to me, really represents The Joker. I've found two scenes that really establish this:
In this scene we see The Joker, with a new outfit, return several years in the future, and he makes quite a debut. The script written for him wouldn't sound as awesome without Hamill's voicing:
This next scene is, quite possibly, the most intense moment in an animated film, especially one based in the Batman universe. You get to see Batman and Joker's final fight, as well as The Joker's most diabolical caper yet:
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Post by T I M™ on Dec 11, 2008 14:58:13 GMT -5
I loved the 90s Batman cartoon. Mark Hamill's voice was excellent for the Joker! When I first saw the final confrontation with the Joker and Batman, in"Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker", it was awesome! In the original cartoon he was bad but not that evil! It really shocked me how Mark Hamill gave the Joker such a more sinister voice!
I think when it comes to voice acting he is the Joker but when it comes to live acting he is Luke Skywalker! ;D
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Post by Leatherface on Dec 11, 2008 15:06:05 GMT -5
yeah skywlaker is secretly the joker! vader better watch out lol
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Post by T I M™ on Dec 11, 2008 15:23:36 GMT -5
;D By the way Leatherface, I found this on Google. You should put it on the first message!
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Post by Leatherface on Dec 11, 2008 15:25:32 GMT -5
SWEEEET!
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Dec 11, 2008 16:52:33 GMT -5
Alright, I asked a veritable expert on all things Batman about Ledger's performance being from the comics, and it indeed was.
I figure I will just post the responses in their entirety, though there are opinions among the facts, but they don't ruin the context of what is being said.
I asked for specific references and got this response:
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Post by Leatherface on Dec 11, 2008 16:55:26 GMT -5
i'm sorry jer i apologise for that comment baout staying on topic. i misread your posts
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Dec 11, 2008 16:58:39 GMT -5
That wasn't directed at you at all. We all misread things on occasion.
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Post by Leatherface on Dec 11, 2008 17:00:33 GMT -5
oops my bad jer lol anyhows check out the first post i edited it.
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Post by Kwik Kash on Dec 11, 2008 17:01:56 GMT -5
I loved the 90s Batman cartoon. Mark Hamill's voice was excellent for the Joker! When I first saw the final confrontation with the Joker and Batman, in"Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker", it was awesome! In the original cartoon he was bad but not that evil! It really shocked me how Mark Hamill gave the Joker such a more sinister voice! I think when it comes to voice acting he is the Joker but when it comes to live acting he is Luke Skywalker! ;D Well said. And I agree, he probably couldn't cut the role live action, but I feel his voice can make or break whatever is in a script. But I still think that the best Joker was from the 90s series, which just so happens to include Mark Hamill's voice along with the artists who designed the Clown Prince of Crime.
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Post by T I M™ on Dec 14, 2008 0:36:33 GMT -5
Check this video out! It's really well edited!
Joker Vs. Joker
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Post by Drayton Sawyer on Dec 14, 2008 2:14:39 GMT -5
Alright, I asked a veritable expert on all things Batman about Ledger's performance being from the comics, and it indeed was. I figure I will just post the responses in their entirety, though there are opinions among the facts, but they don't ruin the context of what is being said. I asked for specific references and got this response: I've read all the comics used as examples. He is trying to use stories he's enjoyed to support the shitty writing in TDK. It doesn't work. The Joker is indeed a killer. Even in the 60's he attempted killing. But due to the morality of the time they didn't feel showing him actually succeeding as right. The most common Joker seen in the comics is the amalgam of the insane killer and the humorous. Some times he leans more to the insane killer side. He's been leaning that way in the current appearances for awhile now. Even during those times he at least appears to have a sense of humor. The Joker in his history has never been completely humor free. The character Ledger was playing smiled and laughed so infrequently I can't think of 2 scenes even close together. He was played as just the psycho. That would be fine if they showed the insanity making him smile or laugh enough to actually earn the name Joker. What we saw in the film was a garden variety nut. He came across more like someone with Bi-Polar disorder with maybe a hint of Borderline Personality disorder. He was J.I.N.O. Joker in name only. I don't want anyone to think I have a bad opinion of Ledger. He was playing the character the way it was written. It was just written poorly for The Joker. Likely due to it being considered 'cool' to be dark and dreary. I get you like his performance and the movie. But the Joker needs at least some semblance of humor in his personality to really be The Joker.
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Post by The Darkness on Dec 14, 2008 7:49:55 GMT -5
I loved the 90s Batman cartoon. Mark Hamill's voice was excellent for the Joker! When I first saw the final confrontation with the Joker and Batman, in"Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker", it was awesome! In the original cartoon he was bad but not that evil! It really shocked me how Mark Hamill gave the Joker such a more sinister voice! I think when it comes to voice acting he is the Joker but when it comes to live acting he is Luke Skywalker! ;D Well said. And I agree, he probably couldn't cut the role live action, but I feel his voice can make or break whatever is in a script. Actually he did play the role live-action. In a TV show called Birds of Prey. Alright, I asked a veritable expert on all things Batman about Ledger's performance being from the comics, and it indeed was. I figure I will just post the responses in their entirety, though there are opinions among the facts, but they don't ruin the context of what is being said. I asked for specific references and got this response: I've read all the comics used as examples. He is trying to use stories he's enjoyed to support the shitty writing in TDK. It doesn't work. The Joker is indeed a killer. Even in the 60's he attempted killing. But due to the morality of the time they didn't feel showing him actually succeeding as right. The most common Joker seen in the comics is the amalgam of the insane killer and the humorous. Some times he leans more to the insane killer side. He's been leaning that way in the current appearances for awhile now. Even during those times he at least appears to have a sense of humor. The Joker in his history has never been completely humor free. The character Ledger was playing smiled and laughed so infrequently I can't think of 2 scenes even close together. He was played as just the psycho. That would be fine if they showed the insanity making him smile or laugh enough to actually earn the name Joker. What we saw in the film was a garden variety nut. He came across more like someone with Bi-Polar disorder with maybe a hint of Borderline Personality disorder. He was J.I.N.O. Joker in name only. I don't want anyone to think I have a bad opinion of Ledger. He was playing the character the way it was written. It was just written poorly for The Joker. Likely due to it being considered 'cool' to be dark and dreary. I get you like his performance and the movie. But the Joker needs at least some semblance of humor in his personality to really be The Joker. The basic point of TDK's Joker was that he was crazy. And he laughed a lot moe than you thought. I cant think of all the times he laughed there are so many. And he cracked a lot of jokerish things like almost stabbing a guy just for a phone call (Remember, "I want my phone call?") throwing the driver (who died) out of a truck saying "Excscuse me, I wanna drive!", and laughing hysterically during the interrogation room scene, car chase, etc. TDK's Joker was exactly like the others just much darker.
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Dec 14, 2008 12:10:47 GMT -5
Well said.
It was more of a dark humor.
When I saw it in theaters, there were a few Joker moments that had the audience laughing.
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Post by Drayton Sawyer on Dec 14, 2008 14:07:32 GMT -5
The Joker is my favorite Batman villain. He's never been shown this way. I can't incorporate what we saw in TDK with anything before it. If you like it that's fine. But that isn't the Joker to me. I don't see why some of you have a problem with that. You act like I need to love and accept this portrayal. He showed hints of the Joker I've loved maybe 2 times in the film. Most of the time he looked like he was drugged or drunk. Half the time I thought he was going to fall asleep in the middle of a scene. ;D I love the Joker. Up until now I've liked aspects of every portrayal I've seen. This time I couldn't see anything to like or enjoy. If you did I'm happy for you. I wish I could see what some people enjoy about Rob Zombie's Halloween. I can't force myself to. It's the same with this film. I'd love to be able to enjoy it. But I can't. There's too much wrong with it IMO. In fact I'd rather watch Zombieween again than TDK. ;D
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Post by The Darkness on Dec 14, 2008 14:32:23 GMT -5
The Joker is my favorite Batman villain. He's never been shown this way. I can't incorporate what we saw in TDK with anything before it. If you like it that's fine. But that isn't the Joker to me. I don't see why some of you have a problem with that. You act like I need to love and accept this portrayal. He showed hints of the Joker I've loved maybe 2 times in the film. Most of the time he looked like he was drugged or drunk. Half the time I thought he was going to fall asleep in the middle of a scene. ;D I love the Joker. Up until now I've liked aspects of every portrayal I've seen. This time I couldn't see anything to like or enjoy. If you did I'm happy for you. I wish I could see what some people enjoy about Rob Zombie's Halloween. I can't force myself to. It's the same with this film. I'd love to be able to enjoy it. But I can't. There's too much wrong with it IMO. In fact I'd rather watch Zombieween again than TDK. ;D I'm not trying to force you to like it. I know very well there are a couple of people on here who didnt care for TDK. i'm just saying that TDK's joker was much more sick and twisted and crazy than ever before, yet I could still see the aspects of all the other Jokers in him. everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'm not trying to change yours.
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Post by Kwik Kash on Dec 15, 2008 1:54:10 GMT -5
Well said. And I agree, he probably couldn't cut the role live action, but I feel his voice can make or break whatever is in a script. Actually he did play the role live-action. In a TV show called Birds of Prey. Roger Stoneburner played the Joker in Birds of Prey, Hamill only did the voice-over for the character.
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Post by T I M™ on Dec 15, 2008 16:41:04 GMT -5
You know, when ever I think about some of the Joker episodes from the animated series, it's really hard to picture that being Mark Hamill. Does anybody eles have that same feeling?
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Post by Leatherface on Dec 15, 2008 16:42:54 GMT -5
yeah. i mean mark seems like a really cool guy i could never imagine him as the Joker
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