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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Aug 3, 2006 16:03:24 GMT -5
What do you consider to be selling out any who do you think has done so?
Mick Foley addressed the issue of selling out in a very straightforward manner.
1. I like to wrestle
2. I like to make money
3. I like to wrestle and make money
To me, if a person totally changes who they are just to make a few bucks, that is selling out.
For a musician, it would be changing your image or completely altering your sound for the almight dollar.
For someone in the movie industry, it would be making it big and forgetting where your roots are.
What are your thoughts?
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Post by Drayton Sawyer on Aug 3, 2006 17:32:13 GMT -5
I think Metallica sold out when they started worrying more about Napster than their fans. Of course by then they'd cut their hair and their music had started to suck but I think they'd gone corporate by that point.
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Aug 3, 2006 18:02:10 GMT -5
I said the exact same thing about Metallica on another board and people actually stuck up for them.
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Post by Drayton Sawyer on Aug 3, 2006 18:06:15 GMT -5
I was a fan of theirs until they pulled what they did with the Napster thing. In my mind that wasn't cool at all. They came across as money hungry corporate sell outs then.
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Post by chukrok on Aug 3, 2006 19:31:28 GMT -5
Ya know, I don't like Metallica and I never have, but I can understand the Napster thing. Here's why:
1. Although they had already made their money, they still have the right to be paid for their work. I asked everyone I knew who was into Napster and stealing songs online this question: How would you like it if you went to work all week and then on payday, I walked in and picked up your check and deposited it in my bank account?
2. Metallica at that point had already had success, there were a lot of other artists who hadn't yet. While it's true that most bands only make a tiny percentage off of cd sales and most of their income comes from touring and merch, without cd sales the label won't be able to provide tour support for the band to be on the road.
Just my humble opinion.
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Post by Drayton Sawyer on Aug 3, 2006 21:09:51 GMT -5
The truth is though that Napster was actually bringing them more sales. Sure some people might have been downloading and never paying ever. But quite a few were downloading and then going out and buying the albums. That's what I was using Napster for. I'd download a couple songs and if I liked them I went and bought the album they were on. That was the purpose behind Napster. It was like Virtually lending your friend an album and then your friend likes it and he goes and gets it himself.
I can remember them doing stories proving that Metallica was actually selling more after being shared on Napster than before. So them bitching about not getting paid was ridiculous. Sure a small percentage were getting there music and not paying for it. But the great majority were. And then spreading the music the old fashioned way.
It didn't hurt Metallica at all.
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Post by plushtar on Aug 3, 2006 21:17:42 GMT -5
I think Metallica sold out when they started worrying more about Napster than their fans. Of course by then they'd cut their hair and their music had started to suck but I think they'd gone corporate by that point. Their roots were actually in tape trading, believe it or not. Strangely, this is the only thing that Mustaine sides with them about. Took the words right out of my mouth keyboard for free. Expect to here from my lawyers  |
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Post by Winter on Aug 4, 2006 14:02:52 GMT -5
I think Metallica sold out when they started worrying more about Napster than their fans. I agree. They've already got way too much money. I can't believe they'd begrudge their fans a few mp3's. Maybe that's my class prejudice showing, but I really can't stand greedy rich bastards. YEAH! You said it perfectly there, IFDude. I use Limewire pro and I've found quite a few bands that I wouldn't have otherwise stumbled upon. If I download a few of their songs and enjoy them, I'm likely to go out and by their CDs. I think when you compromise your beliefs/ideals, betray people who have been there for you, or pretend to be someone or something you're not for money, fame or the approval of other people, you're selling out. |
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Post by chukrok on Aug 11, 2006 22:46:52 GMT -5
Do you guys download copyrighted movies from the web too? And if you do, do you go buy the ones you like?
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Post by Drayton Sawyer on Aug 11, 2006 23:59:47 GMT -5
Actually no. I mean I don't download movies. Truthfully I rarely download music either. I did it way back when because I could afford to buy the albums if I liked them. I really can't afford to do that anymore.
Basically the only songs on my computer are from cd's I own copied to the hard drive.
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