Best Friend Off to War

[f13ticket]

My best friend of six or more years is going off to fight in this war. I do not agree with this war, and I do not want him to go. I had fallen in love with him at one time, but he is not gay. After signing up he got back with his girlfriend who is also taking this news badly. His Mother tried to drag him out of the recruiting office, literally, but he signed up anyway. I think he signed up because he and his Mother don't get along. But signing up won't fix that. The military is going to be more demanding of him than his mother ever was. Not even a year ago my last love interest also left me to go to the military. It was bad enough that everyone that I came to care for wanted to not love me back in the way I loved them; but it's worse now that they would rather die in a war of occupation and profiteering, than stay here. This war of conquest has turned so many into nothing more than canon fodder blood for oil. I hate to think that the sum worth of my best friend for six years, whom is the last person I have left to confide in, is reduced to reassuring me that I can fill up my tank. All other friends live too far away to replace him as a best friend, and replacing him is not a good idea. I don't want to think of him as replaceable. But the reality is that replacing him is the only chance I have of survival now. I could consider him dead now, and save myself the next so many months before he is deployed. But how could I live with myself knowing that I threw away what little time we had left? But it kills me to see him, to continue to emotionally invest into him as a friend, knowing that it's all going down the drain. I feel helpless and alone. No other friend, or person, has ever been as honest and as close to me as he. And now I have no one left. I can hardly stop crying, and I don't see much of a reason to live. I feel like I'm starting over from scratch, without even a candidate to replace him. For all this time I could always count on him being there if I needed someone to call and talk with. He would listen, and always be candidly honest. I am surrounded by yes men and idiots. People who are nice, but ultimately are not capable of the type of intellectual socializing that he is. He is the only person I have ever seen as my equal, that has always been there for me, and that I have always respected. I can't believe he could be so stupid, as much it hurts me to call him what he has proven himself to be. And now I am alone. If anything happens, falls apart, I have no one to call. I have no one who cares. I have not been alone for eight or so years. I feel I must push on, but I see no horizon. And I feel stuck in the mud whilst he marches to his death. Even if he lives, he will likely not be the same. And I can not help but think that what might return to me someday, years down the road, will be a mechanic and emotionless stalk of a human being at best, and complete fetal position shell shock at worse. I refuse to put on a face of false agreement, but it is painful to persecute him for something he's already done and can't undo. He has selfishly devastated my life, his Mother's life, and the life of his girlfriend. And now we all have to put on our best faces as he makes an inconsiderate ass of himself. I don't know what to do, and I do not see a happy answer. My choices now range from replacing him to having a complete breakdown. That latter I am closer to than the first. If I didn't love him, I would hate him.

[Doomsday]

if you guys honestly think we're still there for oil you have no idea what's going on and just use the media for all you information

Iraq is still a mess, they're are at least 2 bombings recorded there everyday there on a daily basies

just 2 days ago there was a bombing at a funneral in Bagdad that killed 29 people, one single bomb from a terrorist

what ever you opinions are, either way the people over there still need our help regradless

and I take this one to heart becasue i'm serving right now and will be deployed in 2 months time and I'm not the only one on this site who has either

F13ticket what you said about your friend that decided to serve is completly unfair to him and just utter bullshit in my view

if anything you should be proud of him, he volunteered to do something that less than 1% of the entire US population even considers doingand that his serve on his own free will

instead of sitting around and saying the same bullshit you are about the war and how its stupid and we shouldnt be there, he decided to get off his ass and do something about it

I didn't have to join the Army, I could have easily have been in a good college right now, but I decided to step up and make a difference not only in my life but the people over there that need our help

so don't support the war or the people in it, just know that we make the biggest sacrafice for this country so that you can have the freedom to come on this site and bitch about it but not do anything about it

and this whole thing about you loving him, I seriously doubt he had the same feelings toward you, or he wouldnt have been able to join, as homosexuality is a no go in the military

[Doomsday]

nuke the whole country? when less than 10% of it is the real problem?

no your right we should leave, then we can give them free will to bomb and kill anyone they want, knowing we could have done something to stop it

[Doomsday]

considering we're one of the most powerful countries in the world, yea!

it has never matterd to me who we're at war with or why and it shouldnt, that's not the point

my question is just whether or not you support the troops, casue you obviously don't support our country

[f13ticket]

Mar 27, 2009 23:34:40 GMT -5 Doomsday said:

considering we're one of the most powerful countries in the world, yea!

it has never matterd to me who we're at war with or why and it shouldnt, that's not the point

my question is just whether or not you support the troops, casue you obviously don't support our country

To me, that is the entire point. If the war is unjust, as this one clearly is, then there is no reason why good people should be dying for it. This isn't World War 2. We aren't the good guys this time, we're the ones forcibly occupying a country against its will for its oil and strategic location.

I support America, the ideology, as set down in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. But that America is dead. It's been dead for a long time. Kennedy tried to get the people to take it back for themselves, and he was killed for his efforts. We are living in a cooperate dictatorship that masquerades as a democracy. Any sense of true freedom is tentative and evaporating.

Warrantless wiretapping, rendition, water boarding, secret prisons, the end of posse commentates, throwing a puppy off a cliff, and naked prisoners on leashes is what America now means to me.

No, I do not support this America or the troops that decide to act as soldiers for it. America has become everything it was founded to fight against. It is now an embarrassment to its creed. When something good turns to something bad, I refuse to pretend it is the good it used to be fifty or more years ago.

I support my friend in so far as I hope that he comes back alive and not in shell shock. I support him in that because he is my friend and I would be an awful human being if I didn't. But I do not support his decision to join. I do not support this war, the troops that serve it, or the country (USA) that started it.

There were not weapons of mass destruction.
There is no conclusive proof that links Bin Laden to 911.
There is no conclusive proof that links Bin Laden to Iraq.

As such, the US invaded Iraq without conclusive proof of anything. It was all speculation. Citizens felt angry about 911, the US government saw potential in occupying Iraq, so they purposefully drew fallacious connections between 911 and Iraq. All of which were not substantiated by logic or proof.

This country is quickly becoming the new dictatorship of the world.
Its army is one of its tools.
And the soldiers are the expendable pawns.

The people need to take their country back. We need to get back to the Constitution. You know, the thing that has been being shredded for the last eight years and will likely continue to be. We need to peaceably protest and get our country back to what it was created to be.

Fighting a false war and using, "Do you defend our troops?" as a shield to protect them and their government against the harsh criticism it rightfully deserves will not get us anywhere.

So, for the sake of truth, let me just get this out right now. I support the troops insofar as I want them to come back home safely. But I do not support their decision to fight this unjust war. I know they are risking their life. But just because they risk their life and buy into the propaganda and fight an unjust war, doesn't make the war just. And I refuse to be guilt tripped into stopping my well deserved decent against this war because of, "support our troops," sentimentality. No, I do not support the troops decision to fight this, what they are doing, what they are risking their life to do, or the corrupt people who sent them over their and their agenda for doing so.

[Doomsday]

either way I think its tottaly unfair to be against the troops for serving

we will always need a military, Iraq and Afganistan are not the only threats to us, your not even thinking about what the future could bring this country

North Korea is always a looming threat, just next week they're launching a missile with the range to hit Alaska and they say that if any attempt to stop the missile will considered an act of war

you think Iraq is the only problem?
that place is still a warzone and yet we're leaving it!

you logic makes abosulte no sense to me, we will always need people to serve

I'm not even being deployed to Iraq or Afganistan! I'm going to Korea where we have over 28,000 troops! we're needed everywhere!

and you say we're not the good guys of the war? do you have any idea what kind of condtion that country would be in with Saddam Hussien still ruling?

we're still digging up mass graves from years ago we he had entire towns wipped out!

dude you make me sick, you sound just like every citzen i've heard talk about the war, you go based on your own persepctive that its all about oil and the US opossing its will on the country, you havnt seen the pics and videos I have of what goes on over there, you have no idea

[FireStar]

I don't know what I'm getting into posting here but here goes. Personally and its a terrible thing to admit but I haven't paid enough attention to this war to be one way or the other for it.

I do however completely support and respect our troops for what they are willing to sacrifice and do for us. Whether you agree or disagree with what they are doing over there they still deserve our support because in the end they are our friends, families, and fellow Americans and they are doing things many of us could never imagine. And they do it no matter their beliefs/feelings, its their sacrifice we should be honoring not tearing down.

[d3M0n]

Well guys these are touchy subjects. Everyone knows the best way to maintain friends on a message board of one theme or another is to leave out your strong feelings on politics or religion. Most people never agree and end up REALLY pissing off the other person.

This happens because usually someone has experience and the other person has nothing but generalizations they gathered from snippets here or there, while the subject at point has no real priority in there life.

This is not the CLAD of 2008 so I will not lock this topic because it got passionate. However please remember that the people you are talking too have become your online friends and it would be a shame to flaw that friendship with an argument in politics or religion.

Thanks

PS Please refer to members respectfully even if you disagree with them.

[Doomsday]

its cool, I'm done aruging about it becasue its getting us nowhere and its stupid to do

[d3M0n]

My thoughts exactly ;D
That's why i avoid politic threads for the most part.

[f13ticket]

Mar 28, 2009 15:13:18 GMT -5 Doomsday said:

either way I think its tottaly unfair to be against the troops for serving

we will always need a military, Iraq and Afganistan are not the only threats to us, your not even thinking about what the future could bring this country

North Korea is always a looming threat, just next week they're launching a missile with the range to hit Alaska and they say that if any attempt to stop the missile will considered an act of war

you think Iraq is the only problem?
that place is still a warzone and yet we're leaving it!

you logic makes abosulte no sense to me, we will always need people to serve

I'm not even being deployed to Iraq or Afganistan! I'm going to Korea where we have over 28,000 troops! we're needed everywhere!

and you say we're not the good guys of the war? do you have any idea what kind of condtion that country would be in with Saddam Hussien still ruling?

we're still digging up mass graves from years ago we he had entire towns wipped out!

dude you make me sick, you sound just like every citzen i've heard talk about the war, you go based on your own persepctive that its all about oil and the US opossing its will on the country, you havnt seen the pics and videos I have of what goes on over there, you have no idea

I honestly don't see Iraq as a threat. Not to us anyway. While it was true that Saddam was awful to his people, it's not our job to police the rest of the world. The, "Let's spread democracy around the world," kick came from Pearl Harbor on after. Before that America was very much isolationist. We need to get back to that. We need to defend our own borders, not fight for other people's freedoms. It sound hard and cold, and it is. But that is the reality of this world. There are not enough troops, enough manpower, to force feed freedom on countries that are not used to having it.

This is Vietnam the Sequel, in many respects. We'll eventually pull out and their country will fall into chaos. Actually, though, Saddam despised terrorists and actually kept them out of Iraq for the most part. It wasn't until America blasted in on false pretense that the terrorists flooded the country. So, in truth, we've made the country worse now than it was before we invaded it. What would you rather have, one oppressive dictator's iron grip; or ragtag bands of terrorists suicide bombing? We took out option one and, by creating a power vacuum, allowed option two to happen to them.

Yes their country is a mess, but we've made it worse. Considering that; we've done more harm than good and we are better off leaving them alone. Also, we have wasted far too many lives and far too much many and resources fighting this futile war.

Vietnam was unwinable.
Americans got tired of wasted lives and money.
We pulled out.
The country fell.
We moved on and learned nothing because now...

Iraq is unwinable.
Americans got tired of wasted lives, money, and resources.
We'll pull out.
The country will fall.
We'll move on and hopefully won't make the same mistakes a third time.

They don't have weapons of mass destruction capable of reaching us, and never did.
It's not our job to police, baby sit, and hand hold the rest of the world into democracy. We need to cut our losses, bring our troops home, and work on rebuilding our own collapsing Country (Both ethically and monetarily) instead of focusing on rebuilding others'.

North Korea is a threat, especially now that America has proven that it will wantonly invade and occupy other countries without proof and thus real reason. They want nukes to protect themselves from us. And, to spite how awful they are to their own people, I still would have to say that if I were in their shoes I'd be afraid of the US invading me without reason or cause too. Their actions in kicking up the nuke program are in self defense to our aggression in Iraq. With North Korea, just like Iraq, America make its own enemies.

I am not general in my commits, I hardly watch the cooperate news. I listen to Infowars and watch videos that describe the truth about what's happening. If you would like me to go into detail as to how global warming is a pseudo science scam, 911 was a false flag terror attack, and what the true people in charge (and who have been in charge at least sense the death of Kennedy,) I will be happy to link to web sites with hours of features and documentation to prove these things. 911 was an inside job to goat American into supporting wars of conquest out of fear. That way they can trade freedom for a false security, the international banking oligarchs rake in the profit, and they can start things such as the Patriot Act and other laws in the homeland to blast holes into the constitution and lead us further into a WW2 style NAZI dictatorship. A good video I recommend to everyone here is, "The Obama Deception."

I don't care that I make you sick. At least I know the real reasons this war is being waged, do you? Oh, that's right, in true clone trooper fashion you said, "it has never matterd to me who we're at war with or why and it shouldnt, that's not the point" Yeah, you make me sick. There, we're even. Oh, yeah, that's right; I'm ahead because, in the very least, I'm informed.

Also, to boot, you're taking my comments out of context. With how the world is right now, a military is necessary for the safety of the country. The military can be a proud tradition. It can be a force for good and progress. But that's only if those in charge use it correctly and responsibly. It must be used for defense, never for conquest. This war, and again not saying all war, but this war is a perversion. And continuing in a perverse war will only bring desecration and shame to this country. It can only serve to make the rest of the world hate us more than they already do. (Most of them don't like us that much for good reasons, if you ever bother to check how we screw them over then turn it around to make them look bad...)

I support that our troops should be brought home safely, as soon as possible. But I refuse to be goated into supporting a war based on conquest and lies.

[Kwik Kash]

I will never believe we went to Iraq to "liberate it for democracy", and for one reason: Cuba.

Yeah, Cuba. It's 90 miles from our shores and is considered oppressive, yet all we do is keep this embargo on them and cause the people to suffer. If we want to liberate for democracy, we should go there.

Also, North Korea. Gee, we sure are willing to talk to them unlike Iraq, is that because North Korea will fight back? It's kind of funny how we'll dive head first into a country that lacks a decent army or navy, yet the moment we come across a country DOING THE EXACT SAME THING as these militarily inferior nations, we want to "talk" or "isolate" them. It's stupid, and if we want to at least make the "liberating for democracy" look authentic, we should be invading Cuba, North Korea, Iran, China, Venezuela... and so on.

As for the soldiers, I go two ways with this. In general I do support them, they're doing their job. On the other hand, I have encountered individuals who served who are total assholes. I get sick and tired of hearing how they "smashed an Iraqi bastard's skull" with a rifle or how unhuman ALL Iraqis are. If you want to be a total dick, fine, but do not expect me to respect you - I will still respect the American soldiers.

Now, and I apologize for going a bit off topic, but I feel for you F13ticket. Life is hard, and this does not seem to be an easy break for you. The best thing to do is, take the bad and make the most out of it. It's something I am learning, but still being reluctant to accept; I will have to eventually, as it is becoming more and more difficult to fight against. Just stay strong, live well, and do the best you can.

[FireStar]

Mar 30, 2009 13:29:16 GMT -5 Kwik Kash said:

Now, and I apologize for going a bit off topic, but I feel for you F13ticket. Life is hard, and this does not seem to be an easy break for you. The best thing to do is, take the bad and make the most out of it. It's something I am learning, but still being reluctant to accept; I will have to eventually, as it is becoming more and more difficult to fight against. Just stay strong, live well, and do the best you can.

Well Said Kwik!