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Post by d3M0n on Aug 30, 2009 16:26:15 GMT -5
I don't have time for a full review at the moment. If anyone made one in the last thread please copy and paste it here.
This was a HUGE step up for the bore-fest known as RZH. The kill were amazing until they got to the party and the wolfman and chick were killed in van. Those kill were throw away kills. The next good one was before the car flip which was cool even though I though I wouldn't like it.
The obvious flaw was the ghost mom. I guess ANYTHING to put your wife in a movie will write it's own storyline?
Overall I had lot's of fun watching it! Very cool flick.
7.5
Woulda been 8 with no mommy.
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Post by fridayfan1979 on Aug 31, 2009 5:43:35 GMT -5
I think most everyone here knows I was a big fan of RZ's Halloween, and I have to say the sequel didn't disappoint.
I know alot of people didn't like the ghost mom idea, but I actually thought they pulled it off pretty well.
Like Demon mentions, the kills were pretty awesome. I hated to see Danielle Harris get it, but it was pretty obvious she wasn't going to survive this time around.
Malcolm McDowell did a good job as Loomis again, and I thought Brad Dourif's portrayal of Sheriff Brackett was the best performance in the movie.
I give it an 8.5
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Post by FireStar on Aug 31, 2009 9:05:41 GMT -5
Yeah he did a great job on this one but the thing about Dourif for me is that whenever I hear his voice I can't help but think of Chucky. All in all I was surprised by how well this one came out, I didn't care for the mom's ghost either but I do like the idea of getting a glimpse into Michael's maddness. I give it an 8.
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Post by The Darkness on Aug 31, 2009 10:05:27 GMT -5
Wow. Why is my opinion always the opposite of everyone else? Ah, whatever.
Alright, here we go. It might contain spoilers, but I think just reading it because you might not even want to see it. Well, I mean it wasn't tha----wait, why am I telling you now? Read this!
It basically starts right one year after the events of the first film. Laurie keeps having strange dreams about Michael and his imaginary mother coming for her. Meanwhile, Michael is going around the outskirts of Haddonfield randomly with his hobo-hood on, which is where most of the kills take place, including two very angry farmers, their daughter, an old fat jerk and his hooker girlfriend and their slave. Very weird. But the strangest part is the conncection they brought so strongly between Michael and his mother this time around. Her ghost kept coming up and then the younger version of Myers kept following him around in his mind and had some sort of physical affects on Laurie...or something like that. Well whatever, I gotta move on to the important subjects, acting , kills, etc. How 'bout the character development? I mean, although most characters repeaded their characters went down in whatever they had. Dr. Loomis seemed like a great big "no-care-in-the-world" asshole, and Laurie just seemed damn annoying. I mean, I know its the same actress and everything, but all she did the entire film was cry and moan. Unlike the first one, she only smiled at least 4 times during the entire film. And every word was in a groan as if she was complaining about something. I think the film liked to focous on Michael more, which I am proud of if he did not have random contacts with his young self and deceased mother. Now it's acting time....let's start with the person I started off with for chatracters, Dr. Loomis. His character went down to, like I said, a real asshole. Sadly, he pulled it off well, Malcolm McDowell is a good actor. Laurie Strode....maybe if she wouldnt stop sobbing I would've taken a liking. One minute she was happy and drunk, then sad, then crying, then covered in blood, then happy and drunk! It was just....eeehh. Michael? Easiest job in the world - stand tall, kill people, stand tall, kill people. I mean, he did grunt a lot whenever he did anything which I found a bit nagging considering he never made much sound in the past. And honestly his grunts made me crack up in laughter. Then the ending....mmmm.....welll...highlight to read
Well it basically ended with Loomis dead, Michael "dead", and Laurie wearing michael's mask (which was way too big for her so it looked hilarious). michael apparently got shot by a sniper in the neck/chest area, then fell on to a bunch of sharp spikes, then stabbed by Laurie with a knife like 6 times. If he's alive, that would be pretty sad, and you could say goodbye to realism. Oh, yeah, forgot the very very ending, which I didnt understand. Laurie was apparently in a long white room, like a phycic hostpital or whatever. Then the mom's spirit appeared to her and she gave a sadistic smile. Then it ended. ..?...
I figured if they do make a third one it'll be about Laurie killing. Which I would not go to see, neither would anyone because of the obvious reason. So overall, I give it 5.5 out of 10, or 2.5 out of 4. I loved he first one, and I know it sounds weird, but although there werent many changes, there were CHANGES...I dont know how to say it. Well, maybe I sho7uld've put my expectations low and be surprised instead of let down.
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Post by d3M0n on Aug 31, 2009 16:42:49 GMT -5
I actually loved the two characters that bored the shit out f me in the remake... Brakette and Loomis. I thought they were amazingly mind numbingly boring in the remake. They were absolutely perfect in this movie! AMAZING improvement!
I was really disappointed that Annie's long awaited death was off screen. How stupid... who thought that would be a good idea? I wish the little flash backs showed much more!
LOVED the true white trash of Laurie and Annie! Loved the Alice Cooper poster in the bathroom! Great touch!
The Rabbit in Red scenes had to be the coolest for me. Just a much better movie but leave it to Rob to F it up with that horse and ghost shit. What... is his mom so sweet in part 1, that she cant even handle what Michael became. Yet in this she is a cheap version of Mrs. Bates? How was little Michael holding Laurie down at the end? Can she really share vision of a deranged brother so intensely that it had so much power of her as to physically have hold of her through her mind? Or was the mom not just an illusion of Michael but a real evil guiding force who now controls Laurie?
Let's face it a lot of flaws but it's just not enough to make this movie not freakin cool man. #63zrwi#
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Post by Boggman! on Aug 31, 2009 16:54:08 GMT -5
This forum is the only place I have really heard anything gpositive about H2. I've decided not to see this in the theater. I'm just too skeptical on this one and really don't want to waste my money.
I for one really appreciated the 2007remake - and I just have a strong feeling I will not like this movie all that much.
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Aug 31, 2009 17:17:32 GMT -5
It is getting mixed reviews on the Halloween board, but very few people absolutely loved it.
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Post by ÇŢ™ on Aug 31, 2009 17:38:46 GMT -5
The obvious flaw was the ghost mom. I guess ANYTHING to put your wife in a movie will write it's own storyline?
.Haha great point d3mon, I hadn't thought of that as a reasoning for the storyline!
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Post by FireStar on Aug 31, 2009 19:35:52 GMT -5
Yeah she pops her head in every movie of his.
The only thing I can come up with in terms of ghost mom and young Michael is that they are products of Michael's insanity, because in one of the young Michael flashbacks his mom gives him a toy white horse and he tells her that he's already dreaming about her and a white horse. This is before she commits suicide, therefore the whole mom in white with a white horse was a delusion of Michael's long before she kills herself.
His delusion of his mom telling him to bring the family together is also part of the Remake as well its the reason he brings Laurie to the basement of their old house. He had collected the headstone and brought Linda's body into the basement as well. In doing so he symbolically reunited his family with the headstone representing the mom and Linda the older sisiter. At that time his delusion was satisifed with just having her with him and the symbols around them but after the first Halloween his delusion morphs into wanting to bring his family together in death.
I think the reason his delusion affects Laurie so much at the end of H2 is that there is an unknown connection between her and Michael that was formed before he was committed. She was the only bright spot in his life( she was someone who had never hurt him physically or emotionally, its the reason he never hurts her until after she stabs him in the remake because once she does she becomes like all the rest to him). She's the only person he put above himself (he looks after her even when he is in his bloodlust after killing the 2 boyfriends and his older sister, he takes her out of the bloodshed and even brings a cap and blanket to wrap her in so she stays warm while they wait outside). And she is ultimately the only one to whom he kept a connection to after he retreated into his madness.
Its the same reason she dreams what she dreams and becomes so ill when he is eating the dog. In a way Michael was reaching out to her through his mind. That and I think she inherited the same mental issues as Michael did but it just took a little more of a push to send her over the edge than it did Michael.
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 1, 2009 0:20:39 GMT -5
it won't be down here for another month, not that I'm in any hurry to see it after what I've heard about it but at least it will be free to watch, so I'll go see it
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Post by Boggman! on Sept 1, 2009 11:57:33 GMT -5
Ending up seeing it last night after all. Absolutely HORRIBLE. Even worse than I expected. I could not find one redeeming quality to this movie. White horses? Ghostly visions? Psychic connections? Posession? A sheriffs house that doubles as a satanic ritualistic cult den? Michael the nomad/gypsy wanderer? Jesus - the list goes on an on. If Michael is missing for 1 whole year and there is no body - why in hell would everyone (Loomis especially) assume he is dead? ? And that kid they got to replace the kid from the first one was horrible. Huge mistake. Daeg was an extremely central part of the first film. You can't just replace him in the first 2 minutes and expect the audience to buy it. And when did Haddonfield become butt fu*king Egypt? Haddonfield is supposed to be a damn suburb - not a frieken farmtown in the sticks. I've lost all faith in Zombie. What a steaming pile of shit he wrote and directed. How many times can you watch a window get smashed or a repeated knife plunge? Sure - there was some trademark Zombie brutality thrown in there - but it all played out so horribly. The 2007 remake is a MASTERPIECE compared to this incohesive garbage. 1/10. Worst movie I've seen in the theater all year....
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Post by The Darkness on Sept 1, 2009 12:35:04 GMT -5
Yeah someone who agrees it sucked! virtual high-five!
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Post by d3M0n on Sept 1, 2009 16:00:42 GMT -5
The one part that was really tuff to sit through was how many times Rob thought we should hear that asshole passanger say "fuck" after driving into that cow... was hearing the word fuck 40times in a row really needed?
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 1, 2009 20:08:25 GMT -5
maybe i wont see it after all ;D
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Post by FireStar on Sept 1, 2009 20:14:00 GMT -5
The one part that was really tuff to sit through was how many times Rob thought we should hear that asshole passanger say "fuck" after driving into that cow... was hearing the word fuck 40times in a row really needed? Yeah that was a real low point, as I was watching it I remember being confused by the whole thing. I didn't know if it was meant to be funny or what but whatever he meant it to be it didn't work.
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Post by ÇŢ™ on Sept 1, 2009 20:43:11 GMT -5
If he was going for shock value, that's a pretty lame way to do it...
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Post by FireStar on Sept 1, 2009 21:00:28 GMT -5
Yeah the booting to the face outside The Rabbit In Red was far more effective.
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Post by Kwik Kash on Sept 2, 2009 11:34:10 GMT -5
Ending up seeing it last night after all. Absolutely HORRIBLE. Even worse than I expected. I could not find one redeeming quality to this movie. White horses? Ghostly visions? Psychic connections? Posession? A sheriffs house that doubles as a satanic ritualistic cult den? Michael the nomad/gypsy wanderer? Jesus - the list goes on an on. If Michael is missing for 1 whole year and there is no body - why in hell would everyone (Loomis especially) assume he is dead? ? And that kid they got to replace the kid from the first one was horrible. Huge mistake. Daeg was an extremely central part of the first film. You can't just replace him in the first 2 minutes and expect the audience to buy it. And when did Haddonfield become butt fu*king Egypt? Haddonfield is supposed to be a damn suburb - not a frieken farmtown in the sticks. I've lost all faith in Zombie. What a steaming pile of shit he wrote and directed. How many times can you watch a window get smashed or a repeated knife plunge? Sure - there was some trademark Zombie brutality thrown in there - but it all played out so horribly. The 2007 remake is a MASTERPIECE compared to this incohesive garbage. 1/10. Worst movie I've seen in the theater all year.... I'm gonna go with this. I've always believed Rob Zombie could make good music videos, he's an artistic sort of guy, but he BOMBS at movies. He puts too much into them, it's like a Picasso painting - you have NO IDEA what the hell it's supposed to be. The film does have the gruesome stuff, which is nice. But they've done explained Michael so much, he isn't scary. He's just some punk who kills because mommy doesn't love him. This puts him on the same level as a 3rd grade bully! Zombie does good with aesthetics, but he can't do anything story wise if it's more than 5 minutes. I'm convinced of this, and looking back his music videos don't really have a coherent point to them either, they're just random things thrown in, but at least they look cool. Which is what this comes down to, it's nice to look at, but it lacks anything of depth and substance. Even if you take out the ghost-horse stuff, this film doesn't get half way with me. At most it'll get a 3/10.
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Post by Boggman! on Sept 2, 2009 14:38:58 GMT -5
The one part that was really tuff to sit through was how many times Rob thought we should hear that asshole passanger say "fuck" after driving into that cow... was hearing the word fuck 40times in a row really needed? Good point. How many times did Laurie say it as well? Seems like that's all she could say in between screams and tears. I guess that's what you do when your low on script ideas - just repeat the word FU*K over and over again...... And what the hell is Zombie doing doubling as Michael Myers??? Seriously - get over yourself man. Christ - as if we haven't seen enough of that lame director cameo crap from M. Knight....
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Post by d3M0n on Sept 2, 2009 15:10:00 GMT -5
Wow did he really do that? Didn't even know it. Was it the face in parking lot FS talks about below?Yeah the booting to the face outside The Rabbit In Red was far more effective. One of the greatest kills I have ever seen done. Followed by THE greatest in any Zombie movie IMO smashing the strippers head into that mirror/wall over and over had me laughing so hard my g/f had to put her hand over my mouth while she laughed as well but lower #24#
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