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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Sept 24, 2012 21:53:53 GMT -5
I agree with you Tommy. Halloween isn't just a horror film and certainly not a full blown slasher. In fact, it is more of a thriller. There are very few kills and none of them are gory at all.
That sets it apart from the rest of the franchise.
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Post by Leatherface on Sept 24, 2012 21:55:48 GMT -5
"No one goes to see Halloween because of what Michael Myers represents as the evil in all man or whatever, they go see it because honestly, there's something kinda cool about people dying in these films." haha, I'm going to come clean on this particular one since its my favorite, actually everyone's favorite If I'm not mistaken for the most part. He is an evil in all man...for example that is how I see him. "I met him, fifteen years ago. I was told there was nothing left. No reason, no conscience, no understanding; even the most rudimentary sense of life or death, good or evil, right or wrong. I met this six-year-old child, with this blank, pale, emotionless face and, the blackest eyes... the *devil's* eyes. I spent eight years trying to reach him, and then another seven trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply... *evil*. " This is not made up shit man, that particular quote is represented by only those you possesses it. Many things can shape a person to become that quote....Its life. And that is why I would go to see how Evil really is & takes it place in the form of man...and that man is a character known to play the role of others.....MICHAEL MYERS. In a way it does entertain people. People like what they'll like for different reasons. Campers Killed in an hour ...I just use another one up on Demon ;D I know that I meant that just because he is the evil in us all, that's not why people went to see 4, 5, 6, H20, Resurrection, and the two Rob Zombie films. They went to see them because he kills people.
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Post by TommyBlade™ on Sept 24, 2012 22:09:49 GMT -5
What you mean by "They" ....a vast majority 20 ,30, 40%. I'm just saying me personally & ALOT of people I know "We" did not go just to see people get killed. If I wanted to see people killed I would pick up my kitchen knife and do it right in my neighborhood starting with my neighbor.
"Heroes are remembered, LEGENDS NEVER DIE(Evil)"
Everyone's DNA structure is not the same, if you know what I mean. Not everyone carries that Characteristics, physiological madman look that MM posses.
To me that is what I went to see and I saw through 4,5,6 etc not the killing.
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Post by Leatherface on Sept 24, 2012 22:19:16 GMT -5
I mean audiences. A lot of people just go to see a horror film like Halloween or SAW or Friday The 13th, to see how the killer is gonna dispatch the teens/victims. Of course, there are other things like Jigsaw's character attracting audiences and the fascination of Michael Myers but most of the time, people go to see what happens next, not because of the meaning of the villain.
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Post by TommyBlade™ on Sept 24, 2012 22:28:41 GMT -5
I mean audiences. A lot of people just go to see a horror film like Halloween or SAW or Friday The 13th, to see how the killer is gonna dispatch the teens/victims. Of course, there are other things like Jigsaw's character attracting audiences and the fascination of Michael Myers but most of the time, people go to see what happens next, not because of the meaning of the villain. I see where you're coming from, just saying that's me. To me I rank things differently. If I want killing of teens/victims I would look too films like Final Destination, Piranha. When I'm dealing with a Killer (Leatherface, Michael etc), I do not go to see killing, but its how that killer is structured.... mentally, physically and emotionally. In other words "Classification".
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Post by Leatherface on Sept 24, 2012 22:36:18 GMT -5
I do too, but it's an after thought in terms of sequels. After awhile, you stop caring about what Jason is thinking when he becomes a zombie, and you care more about the characters and who he's gonna kill and how and it's kind of exciting.
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Post by d3M0n on Sept 25, 2012 9:11:52 GMT -5
For me I keep going for very simple reasons. Its fun, I am excited theyre back in a knew movie. I am curious to see where the story of the character goes next. I wanna see what hot girls are gonna be in the new film. I have grown to like the look at atmosphere of that film series and the look and story of the character. I have said it before, there are lots of sequels that I KNOW many horror fans wouldnt even enjoy had they not loved the killer due to their origin film as well as well done early sequels. Unfortunately Halloween 4 is one of them. Same with NOES 4 or F13th3. Had you not already invested yourself in those killers due to how good the prior films were, you would not like those movies had those been the first movie of a killer you dont know. Some may disagree with the movies I chose as samples but I am sure you can all admit Im right with a shit ton of sequels in horror movies. Scream 3 is another prime example. If you werent into Scream and this continuing story, youd find 3 unwatchable.
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Post by TommyBlade™ on Sept 25, 2012 9:28:59 GMT -5
"I wanna see what hot girls are gonna be in the new film." ;D *Another Campers Killed
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Sept 25, 2012 15:42:22 GMT -5
What about Scream 4? There is a good reason why Scream 5 isn't in the works.
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Post by d3M0n on Sept 25, 2012 16:15:19 GMT -5
I always go with the first example in a franchise. I also enjoyed Scream 4 although it could have been better. Still a good enough film. Most horror movies are not that good.
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Post by Leatherface on Sept 26, 2012 0:38:26 GMT -5
Scream 4 I felt was much stronger than the other Scream sequels. The reason why it didn't do so well was because the fact that well Ghostface is a joke now. Otherwise it was one of the better written, acted, and more fun horror films to have come out in a long while. I don't regret seeing in theaters. Am I supposed to fucking feel bad because you are gonna shove a statistic down my throat like a snobbish prick? Or because you didn't think it was any good? So what? When will you get it through your god damn motherfucking head that we like something because it's fun.
Not every fucking movie is going to be a success, especially horror. Did you know that Alfred Hitchcock, the godfather of horror, never won an academy award? So, with that logic, since he didn't get an award that most directors and writers do, does that make him an awful director in your eyes because he never won an award? ( Aside from being Knighted of course). I mean, based on the logic you displayed it would certainly seem so. Is Tobe Hooper automatically a bad director because TCM 2 didn't do as well as the first? Is John Carpenter and company ( Tommy Lee Wallace and Debra Hill respectively) automatically bad because of Halloween: Season Of The Witch being a critical and commercial bomb? Or are you just gonna twist mine and Demon's words again to try to make us feel bad for having an opinion? Whatever, go right ahead. I'm fucking done.
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Post by Drayton Sawyer on Sept 26, 2012 1:02:05 GMT -5
Scream 4 is actually my favorite sequel in the franchise. To me it felt the most like the original. I hope they eventually do Scream 5.
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Post by d3M0n on Sept 26, 2012 7:36:47 GMT -5
Dont take this wrong Jeremy but psychologically the reason you throw stats and percentages at people in discussion, is because you are a very insecure person. You dont feel your own thought out opinion is valid enough to publicly announce it. Therefore you use stats and numbers to back up all your statements. Clearly an attempt to disarm other participants in the conversation. Because you feel there is no way they good possibly disagree with stats. You are hiding behind the facts in order to create shield of armor around yourself. Its gotten to the point where you cant even form an opinion with making sure youre going with the flow. That is a very unhealthy way to go through life. One negative effect its having on you is your lack of acceptance to others opinions when they dont fit into this majority you protect your insecurities with. You dont veiw our opinions as valid either and you try to make people feel like an outcast because they enjoy something a lot of people didnt. I hope one day you feel confident enough to lead with your heart and not your insecurities.
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Post by Stinger on Sept 26, 2012 9:33:23 GMT -5
I feel the same way. Scream 4 is actually my favorite sequel in the franchise. To me it felt the most like the original. I hope they eventually do Scream 5.
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Sept 26, 2012 9:54:12 GMT -5
Money makes the world work, which seems to be troubling for some people. I don't understand the opposition to it. You go to work to earn it and use it to see a movie in the theater and buy it on Blu-Ray or DVD if it impressed you.
My only reason for mentioning Scream 4 was because it wasn't as successful as the studio had hoped it would be, so it put a kink in their plans continue the series. I remember hearing about a new trilogy in the works, but not much since. Not once did I say that it sucked as a film and no one liked it.
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Post by Leatherface on Sept 26, 2012 11:44:09 GMT -5
You make us feel bad for liking things like Scream 4, or Hatchet 2. And since you also base your opinions off what major critics think, there is something you should see. Two major critics, bashing one of the best Friday the 13th films ever. You come off EXACTLY like how these two did in 1984 when Part 4 came out. Since YOU don't like something, you have to dismiss it as trash because of a statistic. I implore you to watch.
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Post by Zombified Jeremy on Sept 26, 2012 12:36:30 GMT -5
I have seen that video before. Slasher films have always been panned like that and always will be.
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Post by Leatherface on Sept 26, 2012 12:44:12 GMT -5
You don't know how to fucking listen to what anyone here has been trying to tell you do you? What the fuck is your problem? You bash anyone who has a dissenting opinion, you act like you are superior because you like films that are hits, and whenever someone tries to reason/debate with you you shove a statistic down their throat and ignore every thing they say like a biased snobbish prick.
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Post by SleepawayCamp661 on Sept 26, 2012 14:57:41 GMT -5
I have always been a fan of the series I enjoy everyone except the forth film besides the point it's a fun franchise to watch if you have some time to waste. I'm looking forward to the fifth installment when it gets released.
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Post by TommyBlade™ on Sept 26, 2012 17:57:55 GMT -5
You don't know how to fucking listen to what anyone here has been trying to tell you do you? What the fuck is your problem? You bash anyone who has a dissenting opinion, you act like you are superior because you like films that are hits, and whenever someone tries to reason/debate with you you shove a statistic down their throat and ignore every thing they say like a biased snobbish prick. "You & me, we've been @ war....Set before even 1 of us existed. You try killing the camp, you kill some members....YOU WILL NOT KILL ME. Win or lose this WAR ends tonight" ;D
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