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Post by Xч on Feb 15, 2008 17:08:46 GMT -5
To answer a few questions: 1. There will be NO sequel to the old series. It is finished for good. To make this clear: The old series is dead. Do you have any evidence to back this up?
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Post by Xч on Feb 15, 2008 17:25:27 GMT -5
2. The only way the H20 time line is being continued is through comics like Nightdance. Actually Night dance takes place right after JC's Halloween.
Great points.So i guess we really will never see a part 9. Just a bunch of Zombieween sequels now.Count me out as a fan then.I stick with the original Halloween franchise and comics.
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Post by Xч on Feb 15, 2008 17:40:17 GMT -5
I honestly hope they go back to square one if they decide to make a sequel.If they still have Myers running around like if hes on speed or something hacking up people Jason Voorhess style-i just won't be interested in seeing it.Michael Myers is NOT Jason Voorhess.If i want to see a Jason Flick i watch Friday the 13th.
To me the real Myers kills from the shadows-Stalking and contemplating his every move.Zombie's Myers was like an over grown mindless out of control killing zombie.Jc's Shape was much smarter.
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Post by Xч on Feb 15, 2008 17:50:28 GMT -5
I would much rather them do a Halloween flick that deals more with the Holiday itself.If the original Franchise is truly dead-then let myers die along with it.
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Post by Drayton Sawyer on Feb 15, 2008 23:26:55 GMT -5
I honestly hope they go back to square one if they decide to make a sequel.If they still have Myers running around like if hes on speed or something hacking up people Jason Voorhess style-i just won't be interested in seeing it.Michael Myers is NOT Jason Voorhess.If i want to see a Jason Flick i watch Friday the 13th.
To me the real Myers kills from the shadows-Stalking and contemplating his every move.Zombie's Myers was like an over grown mindless out of control killing zombie.Jc's Shape was much smarter.
Now that's unfair to Jason. At least his killing has style. Zombieween's Michael has no style at all.
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Post by Xч on Feb 16, 2008 2:52:16 GMT -5
I worded that wrong.What i meant was that Zombie's Myers copied Jason's persona and style of killing.When i watch a Halloween flick i wanna see a Halloween flick not some guy imitating Jason.
Jason is 80 times better than that Zombieween myers guy. I rather see the shape stalk and kill from the shadows.
In no way did i mean any disrespect to Jason at all.
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Post by The Darkness on Feb 16, 2008 14:24:27 GMT -5
I liked this movie ;D
Though if you compare it to the original, it's crap.
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Post by fridayfan1979 on Feb 16, 2008 15:09:05 GMT -5
Well put, Darkness. That's how I look at it too.
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Post by Wolf on Mar 19, 2008 1:43:53 GMT -5
Just watched the final cut for the first time (I had seen the workprint earlier). I guess I'd give it a 3. There were elements I realy enjoyed and there were things that were just completely stupid. All in all I enjoyed it, I think it was a good concept, but it has its major flaws, besides the simple fact it should not have been made.
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Post by Xч on Mar 19, 2008 2:34:18 GMT -5
Glad you enjoyed the movie wolf.
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Post by Drayton Sawyer on Mar 19, 2008 2:39:32 GMT -5
Did you rent or buy the movie Wolf?
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Post by missscarlett on Mar 20, 2008 5:48:12 GMT -5
I finally saw this movie last night and I gave it a 3. While I could enjoy it for a horror/slasher movie, Rob Zombie changed way too much about Michael and the story for me to enjoy it for a Halloween movie... I like the slowly stalking Michael we have all grown to love, much more than what Zombie gave us. (You know, Michael on a steroid induced rampage... ;D) Plus I really didn't care for the ending any... poor Dr. Loomis and Michael....
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Post by terridawn on Mar 28, 2008 23:17:18 GMT -5
I am a true fan of the Halloween series; however, I did not like this movie. I was EXTREMELY disappointed. People walked out of the theatre with confused looks on their faces and it was silent.
One problem I had that is sad to see in modern days:
The only Black character (Ken Foree played him) in the movie is an embarrassment. He is a negative, almost racist stereotype.
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Post by Xч on Mar 28, 2008 23:20:20 GMT -5
Here we go again.
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Post by terridawn on Mar 29, 2008 0:02:48 GMT -5
Huh?
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Post by Xч on Mar 29, 2008 5:13:59 GMT -5
I am a true fan of the Halloween series; however, I did not like this movie. The only Black character (Ken Foree played him) in the movie is an embarrassment. He is a negative, almost racist stereotype. Well i did see a few borderline racism remarks in the theatrical cut. One scene where Dr.Loomis is explaining to young Micheal about "colors" he dragged on way too much about how the color black is nothing and the color white is everything.Which technically speaking Black is the color of objects that do not emit or reflect light in any part of the visible spectrum; they absorb all such frequencies of light. Mixing paints, inks or other pigments of all colors in theory eventually forms a mixture which absorbs all light and so appears black. Sometimes black is described as an "achromatic color", but in practice it can be considered a color, as in expressions like "black cat" or "black paint"
IMO "somebody" was using the color scene itself to send out a hidden message using Dr.Loomis's character while hiding behind facts (A clever way i might add to avoid worldwide controversy).People in the theater felt uneasy when that scene was shown.In the work Print that particular scene was not in it.All of a sudden Zombie decided to throw in that scene in the theatrical cut. Negative symbolismColloquially, black is sometimes used with a negative connotation. The reasons for this are various, but the most widely accepted explanations are that night is experienced by humans as negative and dangerous. A secondary reason is that stains are most visible as dark additions to pale materials. In traditional class-based Western cultures "pale" skin indicated genteel domestic or intellectual indoor-work as opposed to rough outdoor labor in the fields. Aspects of this black/white opposition are not unique to the West, as, for example in the Indian varna system and in Japanese Geisha makeup. African, Afro-Caribbean and African-American writers such as Frantz Fanon, Langston Hughes, Maya Angelou, and Ralph Ellison in particular identify a number of negative symbolisms surrounding the word "black", arguing that the good vs. bad dualism associated with white and black provide prejudiced connotations to color terminology for race. Some people associate black with evil and destruction as it naturally absorbs all light and even the Black Hole is described as 'nature's ultimate fury'. Everybody is prejudice,but not everybody is racist.As far as the movie goes i agree with you.When i first saw it in the movie house the fans were highly upset.A guy even went as far as throwing a knife in the screen.
As far as movies that have racism remarks,almost every movie one way or the other make racial jokes towards whites as well as blacks.
Its just something we have to live with in this current generation.I'm personally tired of all the damn (Black,Asian & white) racial jokes
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Post by The Darkness on Mar 29, 2008 6:45:48 GMT -5
I am a true fan of the Halloween series; however, I did not like this movie. The only Black character (Ken Foree played him) in the movie is an embarrassment. He is a negative, almost racist stereotype. I've never seen anyone say something regarding racism in the series.......
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Post by Drayton Sawyer on Mar 29, 2008 7:46:22 GMT -5
I am a true fan of the Halloween series; however, I did not like this movie. The only Black character (Ken Foree played him) in the movie is an embarrassment. He is a negative, almost racist stereotype. Well i did see a few borderline racism remarks in the theatrical cut. One scene where Dr.Loomis is explaining to young Micheal about "colors" he dragged on way too much about how the color black is nothing and the color white is everything.Which technically speaking Black is the color of objects that do not emit or reflect light in any part of the visible spectrum; they absorb all such frequencies of light. Mixing paints, inks or other pigments of all colors in theory eventually forms a mixture which absorbs all light and so appears black. Sometimes black is described as an "achromatic color", but in practice it can be considered a color, as in expressions like "black cat" or "black paint"
IMO the director was using the color scene itself to send out a hidden message using Dr.Loomis's character while hiding behind facts (A clever way i might add to avoid worldwide controversy).People in the theater felt uneasy when that scene was shown.In the work Print that particular scene was not in it.All of a sudden Zombie decided to throw in that scene in the theatrical cut. Negative symbolismColloquially, black is sometimes used with a negative connotation. The reasons for this are various, but the most widely accepted explanations are that night is experienced by humans as negative and dangerous. A secondary reason is that stains are most visible as dark additions to pale materials. In traditional class-based Western cultures "pale" skin indicated genteel domestic or intellectual indoor-work as opposed to rough outdoor labor in the fields. Aspects of this black/white opposition are not unique to the West, as, for example in the Indian varna system and in Japanese Geisha makeup. African, Afro-Caribbean and African-American writers such as Frantz Fanon, Langston Hughes, Maya Angelou, and Ralph Ellison in particular identify a number of negative symbolisms surrounding the word "black", arguing that the good vs. bad dualism associated with white and black provide prejudiced connotations to color terminology for race. Some people associate black with evil and destruction as it naturally absorbs all light and even the Black Hole is described as 'nature's ultimate fury'. Everybody is prejudice,but not everybody is racist.As far as the movie goes i agree with you.When i first saw it in the movie house the fans were highly upset.A guy even went as far as throwing a knife in the screen.
As far as movies that have racism remarks,almost every movie one way or the other make racial jokes towards whites as well as blacks.
Its just something we have to live with in this current generation.I'm personally tired of all the damn (Black,Asian & white) racial jokes So that's what you meant about Loomis being racist in the new movie. I always wondered. I guess when I was watching it in the theater I didn't view the scene that way. Does Rob Zombie have a history of racial problems? He was the writer of the movie right? I haven't followed his career too closely so I really don't know his background that much. As for racial jokes the only ones that really bug me is the ones where black people feel they have to use the N word every other word. It's an ugly word and they use it like it's the word and or the. Watching some black stand up comedians is almost impossible to get through because of that.
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Post by Xч on Mar 29, 2008 7:58:45 GMT -5
At that time i felt the actor himself might have been racist,but then i realized after a few months that it wasn't the actor at all,it was the way the movie was made.I always wondered why that particular color scene was never in the work print.What loomis was saying about the color itself is true but it just dragged on way to long as if trying to make a point for a hidden message slightly mixed in with Negative symbolism.
As far as i know Rob Zombie is not racist,maybe he has a few prejudices (like us all) but racist,i doubt it. The only conclusion i can think of as to why the color scene was injected into the theatrical cut is some producer wanting it in the movie.I think it was completely out of Zombies control.
I also don't agree with anyone calling themselves the N word.
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Post by Drayton Sawyer on Mar 29, 2008 8:05:27 GMT -5
Since I don't own the DVD is that scene in the final cut?
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